Star Wars: The Clone Wars Season 4

General Grievous wrote:Sorry Dan, but I have to agree with SASR. You're wanting something complicated out of something simple. This is a war movie based on the clone POV, a type of thing that we've sen a lot of in real war movies. Not EVERY episode needs a villain. That can actually get boring after all, if we see nothing but the exact same thing-Intro to Republic Heroes, Intro to Separatist leaders, Big War, Victor comes out, THE END. This is showing us what some actual war movies are like-just plain and simple, showing us the side of the front-line soldiers. You're expecting a villain and something complex, whenever not EVERY episode needs that and the Umbara arc being an example of that!

Now, there is one thing that I would've like to have seen so far, and I think even Dan would agree with me. We need to see how the war is affecting the OTHER clone legions out on Umbara. I'd have love to see Kenobi's legion or, even better, Tiin's legion and see what they're going through. Although I love seeing the 501st's story in depth, I would also like to see th others after the 501st's story is done. However, considering there's only one episode left and the 501st's story is still not done, I HIGHLY doubt that we'll get even a morsel of that.

At this point, the show should do at least half a season focused on the dark side and forget the stinkin clones for at least a dozen episodes. Currently I hate Rex as much as Anakin. I would have not if the show allowed itself to show us different sections of the battle of Umbara - the part with Kenobi and Cody, the part with Master Tiin in the air, the part with Barriss and Ahsoka and so on...
Staying at one place and focusing on the same bland and boring bunch white armor-wearing morons is like eating tasteless Rice Cakes every day for a month! In the end, you want to vomit or hit a person who makes eat more of them! THAT is how all these stupid clone feel to me - like bland and tasteless food!

General Grievous wrote:True, we have had other clone episodes before, but with the exception of Clone Cadets, they've always involved something bigger that we see the point of view from. In Rookiees, we continually saw the Jedi's and Grievou's POV. It ruined the whole feel of a "this is a clones only episode". Same with ARC Troopers.

General Grievous wrote:SASR does have a point. We've been asking for episodes like these for a while, or at least a lot of people have. I'm personally glad the team's done it, they've done a great job at showing us things from the actual view of the clones, and they've actually stepped up the action and violence of the episodes, making them more war-like. I must admit, I can see why last episoe might get some criticsm as it was very slow in building up and kind of let us down on the action, but the other two, especially Darkness on Umbara have pulled it off very well. We also have to look at things like this-Krell is the type of Jedi that we always knew but never saw. For the longest, we'd known about these rough Jedi who treated clones like dirt, but the show had only been showing us the Jedi that were actually good leaders who cared for their men. Now, we finally have the full spectrum, and it needs to be explored thoroughly before we run right back into the Jedi the clones look up to.

Krell says something military crazy - Rex objects - then Krell says how he is in command - then Rex talks about the feewiiing of the poor clones - then Krell says that he is in command - then Rex tells his men about Krell's words - his men are annoyed - then they defy Krell - and save the day by doing something Krell does not agree with - the end is Clone success with Krell hating what they did.

SWneedsSASR wrote:dont take this in any offense dan, but you always seem to point out the negatives, although you are right, I wouldn't go as far as to say the ARC fails, this is what we asked for, so the team gave it to us

SWneedsSASR wrote:for me, despite how slow the episode was, I loved every second of it, the interaction between the clones and that New Hope reference with fives talking over the comms to krell was a luagh, and whilst there was only a bit of action, it was enough to keep me quite satisfied, to me I think the umbaran arc has lived up to its reputation, I can not wait to see how Rex handels the situation, I smell a big heated showdown with krell.

Dan Grievous wrote:

General Grievous wrote:TCW Review of the Week!: "Plan of Dissent" was both a good, solid episode with its valid points, yet the worst of the Umbaran arc so far. It focused so much on its storyline that it was a let-down and failed to deliver much until the very end. It was a very slow episode, and, although still good, was nothing to get excited about.

I can pretty much sum up the first ten to fifteen minutes because they were so slow into a single paragraph so I will. Krell wanted to atack the capial again despite the fact that an Umbaran supply ship was going to make that task very hard and costly. So, the clones, in an attempt to make sure they wouldn't all die in the apparent suicide mission, began coming up wth ways to take out the supply ship in direct defiance of Krell's direct order not to. The final plan was for Fives, Hardcase, and Jesse to take some Umbaran fighters that they nearly got themselves killed with while testing them out (a not-so-bad scene by the way). Although we saw some good, personable scenes amongst some fan-favorie clone troopers, this, again, was far too slow. They could've done these scenes in over half the time and it stll would've felt intense.

After these ridiculously long scenes, and with only about five minutes of the episode left, we finally saw something interesting. As the clone trio let to take out the supply ship orbiting the planet, they wound up landing themselves right into one of the largest space battles in the series yet. There were so many ships and and so much blasterfire, it felt like watching the Battle of Coruscant in the opening scenes of Revenge of the Sith all over again. A great scene to say the least.

After the trio maneuvered themselves through the battlefield, the finally entered he supply ship through the hangar and advanced towards the main reactor. This scene was very cool because the droids, once they realized what was going on (basically after a few of them got accidentally squished and the others commented "hey!"), began chasing, firing, and setting traps for them. It gave a great, adrenaline-rush feel to a rather boring episode.

Then came one scene I was NOT expecting. The droids set up ray-shields right in front of the reactor, leaving only a standard, man-sized door open for access to it. Hardcase, in one of the most dramatic sacrifices so far next to Hevy, Ima-gun Di, 99, Echo, and several others, took a missile from his fighter and manually took it into the reactor room telling the others to take off without him and to live to fight anoter day. We see the missile he carried into the room slowly advance to one of he power cores, and seconds later, the other two are having flames chasing them and consuming the unfortunate droids onboard. With only mili-seconds to spare, Fives and Jesse escape the ship as it tears itself apart.

At this point Krell is mad-VERY mad. In a very dramatic cliffhangar ending, Krell informs them that the two are to be court-martialed and executed. Rex tried to intervene, but to no avail. It appears that the next episode may be very dramatic and heart-breaking for some hard-core clone fans.

I'd rate this episode at 7.5/10. It was good, and a great episode for any clone fan to watch, but it simply had too slow a build-up. Definitely the worst out of the current arc, but still something at least worth watching. I really wonder what will happen to the clone troopers of the 501st at this point, as it appears the next episode will test them more than these others have combined.

Great review, dear general!

But this episode solidified my distaste for clones! I mean we got so many scenes of the same old stuff from the last episodes. It was the same boring mix of plot over and over again!
The scheme of the episodes is like this:

Krell says something military crazy - Rex objects - then Krell says how he is in command - then Rex talks about the feewiiing of the poor clones - then Krell says that he is in command - then Rex tells his men about Krell's words - his men are annoyed - then they defy Krell - and save the day by doing something Krell does not agree with - the end is Clone success with Krell hating what they did.

Try it out and you will see how it fits all episodes!

They have overdid it at this point and many people are starting to agree with me.
At the start I was a lone fan who felt the arc was just too much clones, same stuff and no villains/other side view!
Now majority of fans, not including clone fans (every clone episode even if it is the worst ever would be loved by clone fans), think the same as me and dislike the episodes. I mean the many previous cool arcs like Ryloth and Geonosis and, especially, DAC FTW!
These arcs had many generals and clones involved, but unlike the stupid thing the Umbaran arc is doing, those episode on Ryloth/Geonosis/Dac changed from episode to episode or, at least, they showed us different points of view.
On Ryloth, in the space battle we switched from Anakin to AHsoka to Mar Tuuk and back again. On the surface, the same thing - from Kenobi to Waxer and Boil and Numa to TX20 to Cody and backwards. The same for Geonosis episodes. Both episodes offered different points of view and added at least one or two new character per episode, which always brought some fresh air in the arc. Like the introduction of Numa in the Kenobi episode and after that Chum Syndulla in the next Rylother episode with Mace. Adding characters in this way, well, adds to the overall good feel of the episode and arc in general.
Change of scene and characters is always good! Getting different looks of the battle...

AFTER saying all this you can see why the Umbara arc FAILS really bad!
No change of scene, same darkness over and over again, same plot over and over again, same characters over and over...
Repeating the same clone stupidity is getting old!

CISFANBOY wrote:I actually liked this episode more, I loved the space battle and it was nice to see some battle droids again and we actually had a CIS commander even though it was just a tactical droid with a reused model. This episode also ended with a good cliffhanger, I'm really looking forward for next weeks episode...

Dan Grievous wrote:

General Grievous wrote:TCW Review of the Week!: "Plan of Dissent" was both a good, solid episode with its valid points, yet the worst of the Umbaran arc so far. It focused so much on its storyline that it was a let-down and failed to deliver much until the very end. It was a very slow episode, and, although still good, was nothing to get excited about.

I can pretty much sum up the first ten to fifteen minutes because they were so slow into a single paragraph so I will. Krell wanted to atack the capial again despite the fact that an Umbaran supply ship was going to make that task very hard and costly. So, the clones, in an attempt to make sure they wouldn't all die in the apparent suicide mission, began coming up wth ways to take out the supply ship in direct defiance of Krell's direct order not to. The final plan was for Fives, Hardcase, and Jesse to take some Umbaran fighters that they nearly got themselves killed with while testing them out (a not-so-bad scene by the way). Although we saw some good, personable scenes amongst some fan-favorie clone troopers, this, again, was far too slow. They could've done these scenes in over half the time and it stll would've felt intense.

After these ridiculously long scenes, and with only about five minutes of the episode left, we finally saw something interesting. As the clone trio let to take out the supply ship orbiting the planet, they wound up landing themselves right into one of the largest space battles in the series yet. There were so many ships and and so much blasterfire, it felt like watching the Battle of Coruscant in the opening scenes of Revenge of the Sith all over again. A great scene to say the least.

After the trio maneuvered themselves through the battlefield, the finally entered he supply ship through the hangar and advanced towards the main reactor. This scene was very cool because the droids, once they realized what was going on (basically after a few of them got accidentally squished and the others commented "hey!"), began chasing, firing, and setting traps for them. It gave a great, adrenaline-rush feel to a rather boring episode.

Then came one scene I was NOT expecting. The droids set up ray-shields right in front of the reactor, leaving only a standard, man-sized door open for access to it. Hardcase, in one of the most dramatic sacrifices so far next to Hevy, Ima-gun Di, 99, Echo, and several others, took a missile from his fighter and manually took it into the reactor room telling the others to take off without him and to live to fight anoter day. We see the missile he carried into the room slowly advance to one of he power cores, and seconds later, the other two are having flames chasing them and consuming the unfortunate droids onboard. With only mili-seconds to spare, Fives and Jesse escape the ship as it tears itself apart.

At this point Krell is mad-VERY mad. In a very dramatic cliffhangar ending, Krell informs them that the two are to be court-martialed and executed. Rex tried to intervene, but to no avail. It appears that the next episode may be very dramatic and heart-breaking for some hard-core clone fans.

I'd rate this episode at 7.5/10. It was good, and a great episode for any clone fan to watch, but it simply had too slow a build-up. Definitely the worst out of the current arc, but still something at least worth watching. I really wonder what will happen to the clone troopers of the 501st at this point, as it appears the next episode will test them more than these others have combined.

Great review, dear general!

But this episode solidified my distaste for clones! I mean we got so many scenes of the same old stuff from the last episodes. It was the same boring mix of plot over and over again!
The scheme of the episodes is like this:

Krell says something military crazy - Rex objects - then Krell says how he is in command - then Rex talks about the feewiiing of the poor clones - then Krell says that he is in command - then Rex tells his men about Krell's words - his men are annoyed - then they defy Krell - and save the day by doing something Krell does not agree with - the end is Clone success with Krell hating what they did.

Try it out and you will see how it fits all episodes!

They have overdid it at this point and many people are starting to agree with me.
At the start I was a lone fan who felt the arc was just too much clones, same stuff and no villains/other side view!
Now majority of fans, not including clone fans (every clone episode even if it is the worst ever would be loved by clone fans), think the same as me and dislike the episodes. I mean the many previous cool arcs like Ryloth and Geonosis and, especially, DAC FTW!
These arcs had many generals and clones involved, but unlike the stupid thing the Umbaran arc is doing, those episode on Ryloth/Geonosis/Dac changed from episode to episode or, at least, they showed us different points of view.
On Ryloth, in the space battle we switched from Anakin to AHsoka to Mar Tuuk and back again. On the surface, the same thing - from Kenobi to Waxer and Boil and Numa to TX20 to Cody and backwards. The same for Geonosis episodes. Both episodes offered different points of view and added at least one or two new character per episode, which always brought some fresh air in the arc. Like the introduction of Numa in the Kenobi episode and after that Chum Syndulla in the next Rylother episode with Mace. Adding characters in this way, well, adds to the overall good feel of the episode and arc in general.
Change of scene and characters is always good! Getting different looks of the battle...

AFTER saying all this you can see why the Umbara arc FAILS really bad!
No change of scene, same darkness over and over again, same plot over and over again, same characters over and over...
Repeating the same clone stupidity is getting old!

General Grievous wrote:TCW Review of the Week!: "Plan of Dissent" was both a good, solid episode with its valid points, yet the worst of the Umbaran arc so far. It focused so much on its storyline that it was a let-down and failed to deliver much until the very end. It was a very slow episode, and, although still good, was nothing to get excited about.

I can pretty much sum up the first ten to fifteen minutes because they were so slow into a single paragraph so I will. Krell wanted to atack the capial again despite the fact that an Umbaran supply ship was going to make that task very hard and costly. So, the clones, in an attempt to make sure they wouldn't all die in the apparent suicide mission, began coming up wth ways to take out the supply ship in direct defiance of Krell's direct order not to. The final plan was for Fives, Hardcase, and Jesse to take some Umbaran fighters that they nearly got themselves killed with while testing them out (a not-so-bad scene by the way). Although we saw some good, personable scenes amongst some fan-favorie clone troopers, this, again, was far too slow. They could've done these scenes in over half the time and it stll would've felt intense.

After these ridiculously long scenes, and with only about five minutes of the episode left, we finally saw something interesting. As the clone trio let to take out the supply ship orbiting the planet, they wound up landing themselves right into one of the largest space battles in the series yet. There were so many ships and and so much blasterfire, it felt like watching the Battle of Coruscant in the opening scenes of Revenge of the Sith all over again. A great scene to say the least.

After the trio maneuvered themselves through the battlefield, the finally entered he supply ship through the hangar and advanced towards the main reactor. This scene was very cool because the droids, once they realized what was going on (basically after a few of them got accidentally squished and the others commented "hey!"), began chasing, firing, and setting traps for them. It gave a great, adrenaline-rush feel to a rather boring episode.

Then came one scene I was NOT expecting. The droids set up ray-shields right in front of the reactor, leaving only a standard, man-sized door open for access to it. Hardcase, in one of the most dramatic sacrifices so far next to Hevy, Ima-gun Di, 99, Echo, and several others, took a missile from his fighter and manually took it into the reactor room telling the others to take off without him and to live to fight anoter day. We see the missile he carried into the room slowly advance to one of he power cores, and seconds later, the other two are having flames chasing them and consuming the unfortunate droids onboard. With only mili-seconds to spare, Fives and Jesse escape the ship as it tears itself apart.

At this point Krell is mad-VERY mad. In a very dramatic cliffhangar ending, Krell informs them that the two are to be court-martialed and executed. Rex tried to intervene, but to no avail. It appears that the next episode may be very dramatic and heart-breaking for some hard-core clone fans.

I'd rate this episode at 7.5/10. It was good, and a great episode for any clone fan to watch, but it simply had too slow a build-up. Definitely the worst out of the current arc, but still something at least worth watching. I really wonder what will happen to the clone troopers of the 501st at this point, as it appears the next episode will test them more than these others have combined.

Dan Grievous wrote: The Umbarans?!
OHHHH YEAH! They have been quite boring, the basic definition for blandness... all the same models, no different leader! Expected!

General Grievous wrote:I personally don't mind the lack of villain. They make up for it in WICKED awesome new weapons. The one thing I'd like to see by the end of the arc is Kenobi and Tiin though. And I guess some actual Krell action, he's done nothing in these episodes.

Oh Dan, nice new profile pic BTW, probably your best one yet!

CISFANBOY wrote:

Dan Grievous wrote:TO BE HONEST! The more I see it and think it:


I can not wait for the Umbaran arc to END! Four identical episodes about clones having emotional issues is has a point to which it becomes annoying or tiring! We need a little change on the battlefield...
Give us the 41st Battalion's view, Kenobi's view on the battle, give us Tiin, give us especially the UMBARANS's point of view, I would even love to see Ahsoka at this point to voice her opinion on this conflict!

By the end of the arc, most possibly I will almost hate the overdone 501st Legion and wish I do not see more about them, especially REX! Right now I feel like gutting a clone with a lightsaber and playing "Han Solo and a Tauntaun!" LOL

I mean I got more enjoyment out of HUNT FOR ZIRO and ARC TROOPERS than both the Umbaran episodes! I mean, it is clones - it is like having to care for slices of wheet bread as each is a bland as the last one. Same goes for the Umbaran episodes...

I have enjoyed some of the past clone centric episodes like Rookies and Deserter but now it feels like they are giving us too much of the same stuff. I mean the Geonosis episodes were not my favorites but we still had villains like Poggle, Queen Karina and TX-21 and the episodes also focused on some of the different Jedi quite a bit. The enemies were also more epic we had Geonosians, Zombies and battle droids. I find the Umbarans rather boring but the reason for that is because they haven't been developed at all.

Dan Grievous wrote:TO BE HONEST! The more I see it and think it:


I can not wait for the Umbaran arc to END! Four identical episodes about clones having emotional issues is has a point to which it becomes annoying or tiring! We need a little change on the battlefield...
Give us the 41st Battalion's view, Kenobi's view on the battle, give us Tiin, give us especially the UMBARANS's point of view, I would even love to see Ahsoka at this point to voice her opinion on this conflict!

By the end of the arc, most possibly I will almost hate the overdone 501st Legion and wish I do not see more about them, especially REX! Right now I feel like gutting a clone with a lightsaber and playing "Han Solo and a Tauntaun!" LOL

I mean I got more enjoyment out of HUNT FOR ZIRO and ARC TROOPERS than both the Umbaran episodes! I mean, it is clones - it is like having to care for slices of wheet bread as each is a bland as the last one. Same goes for the Umbaran episodes...

Dan Grievous wrote:

General Grievous wrote:

Dan Grievous wrote:

General Grievous wrote:Ok, that's it, I'm drawing the line! Ok, Dan, once again you've taken things out of hand just because everyone doesn't share your exact view on things. Not only did you insult me and my right to an opinion, but you also insulted Jango. While I can take criticism for myself, I refuse to stand by and watch you do the same to others. Seriously, I and everyone else has always respected your opinion, even if we disagree with it at times. Does that mean I insult you saying your comments are "strange" or that you fell from the moon and only watched the first episodes of the series? NO! You are REALLY bordering the line here. You ever wondered why Jedi~Chick got all mad that one time you did the same to her? Well guess what, here's the cold, hard truth-you are a HORRIBLE debater. You break one of the first rules of carrying on a civilized debate-you attack the person, not the problem whenever things don't go your way. I have a right to like both Grievous and the Jedi if I want to, and I do! Jango has the right to dislike the droids in the series as much as he wants to, so he does! GET OVER IT!

Gosh, I hate to say it, but maybe Rex was right-maybe the reason things aren't as busy around here is because the people we do have aren't respectful enough to each other to begin with!

Is it me or you get insulted too easy...
Strange and falling from the moon is nothing to be insulted about! IF I said you are ***** **** *********** or something nasty, I get it, but expressing confusion is kinda not what I think as a rude insult. It is like when I said the word that described the coolness of Cad Bane and right away you jumped up about talking to admins and hate and stuff... Out of nowhere for one word!

Thing is that is kinda STRANGE to say that clones are not Republic and yet everybody knows and says they are part of it. Saying that it is strange to say otherwise. Would you not see a SW fan as strange or fallen from somewhere if he comes up to you and say: "Dude, I love all Star Wars but I never expected and knew Darth Vader was Luke's father and I watched all the movies and TCW!".
For Pete's sake, Jesse wears the Republic's logo on his head. lol
SO excuse me if I think it is odd to claim that CLONES, Republic troopers, are not from the Grand Army of the Republic! I did not mean to question Jango's fandom.

Next you will tell me that the B1 Battle Droids are actually not property of the CIS or The Trade Federation!


Jedi~Chick got annoyed cause I talked about god! For which I apologized to the nice girl...

BTW: People question all the time and say that I am too strange for loving the Quarren and Tikkes cause they had done nothing and Tikkes was a lame background character that did not deserve attention. BUT in the end I say why I like him and do not care if 99% people do not care about him or think he is pointless or think I am messed up for liking him. I do not take it personal!
Same with Grievous when people insult his awesomeness, I still do not care what people say that much, I still love him.

SO sorry if you got offended for my confusion!

I technically wasn't offended, I was just telling you that your getting ready to cross that line. I was basically giving you heads-up if you were going to go down that far like what happened to Jedi. But either way, apology accepted.

As for that "one word" thing, again, the exact same scenario. I wasn't offended, but others might be offended reading that. I look out for more than myself you know. I try to keep the site as a whole clean and responsible. HA didn't make me an admin just to sit back and WAIT until those things happen. I'm supposed to make sure they don't happen in the first place.

I SEE your point there! I do get the admin role and keeping the Peace around here!

AND warning noted! THank you!

CISFANBOY wrote:

Dan Grievous wrote:Seeing the Umbaran side of the situation is critical for this arc even if it is only for half an episode! Cause we see how epic clones be and what good they could do, but we have never and possibly never see (cause the show is biased) the harm they do!
Yes, they are heroes even more sometimes than the Jedi, cause the clones show heart more. The Jedi are sometimes so bland and blind that is kinda facinating why do the villains just defeat them by exploiting their biggest weakness - helping stereotypically everyone! I know it is cool to help all you can, but in the Jedi's case it is like:
Get random alien or just a lazy human, stick "I am good and I must save all!" in his mouth and you have the next random Jedi. Even Anakin and Obi-Wan tend to be like that.
But arcs like the Mandalorian one in S2 showed the more hearty side of Kenobi.
Anakin - I do not go there as I hate his guts and do not care if he gets eaten by Sarlaccs! lol
Watching Fives suffer in the war has been 600 times more real and engaging than all the "feelings" Aniiiiiiiiiii has shown!

I just wish that the way they do writing magic basically for all clones, they could do a little for at least a few non-Sith CIS character - like Grievous or Gunray even!

I would love to see an arc focusing on CIS characters like Grievous and Gunray. They should do an episode where Grievous and a group of battle droids are on a mission do destroy a republic base and make the CIS actually succeed for once.