Star Wars The Clone Wars: The Past Seasons

Dan Grievous wrote:

I DO like the darker stuff, I love VILLAINS,and good ones!!!
The politics of one planet like embargoes and stuff is fine as a backstory, but when you center an hour of the show about bankers and banking procedures in a show parading that it is for "kids", something got really scrambled at the writers departments...

As far is Mortis it was like a teaser for something that is still not going to happen... I had the feel of a movie dream sequence beyond absurdity and it boasted my most hated character - Anitard.
And in the end like every dream sequence it ends, it makes no affect on anything in the grand scheme of the war and it does not matter. It was just as I always say an "apology letter from GL about ruining the myth of the FORCE with midichlorian poodo"...

Ahsoka always slows the show, when she is on screen the show goes from a good 80 km per hour to 5 to make her look good... And her relationship with the The Stupid One is wrong, at S3's weak finale I almost felt they were going to kiss and Anakin was going to say that he is done with Padme and the order and he would like to have babies with the Togruta! Ahsoka is just a character and the show is not about her or the Dumb One, but about the Conflict like a documentary on WWII is not about only Hitler it is about the entire conflict and everyone involved... that is what not many understand and so does GL, Dave Filoni gets it, but Lucas does not! There is just some stupid camp at LFL that tries to promote a weak character every way they can... a rolemodel they say. A really bad role-model that is annoying, snippy, never listens, is a brat and more! Not a good role model! And she is stealing time from other Jedi that need to shine more...
Hope she does not ruin the Battle of Dac in S4 and allows Kit to be shown a lot!!!

PS: The focus should be on AnaPadme not Ahsokin... lol And Ahsoka make Padme pointless in the overall scheme!

And Chewbacca, as much as people love him, was a pain in the finale like The Holiday Special all over again! lol The ninja scene on the fallen ship at night ruined cause the Wookie can not keep his trap shut for an hour! I was wondering what was keeping everybody on the planet from hearing the roaring fool!
And the writing was weak and premise was stolen from another movie and Ahsoke is too boring to hold an entire finale even with the added nostalgia value aka the Wookiee = weak finale... Now Hostage Crisis was nice!

And as you said, these are my opinions on the matters with the weakest season of the show and I am not trying to convince you!

Jedi~Chick wrote:

Dan Grievous wrote:

Jedi~Chick wrote:I absolutely LOVE all the seasons. Season 2 had some amazing episodes, but some of my all time favorites are in Season 1! LOL!

My favorite episodes from Season 1 are Jedi Crash (and it's companion episode) and Blue Shadow Virus.
And my favorites from Season 2 are the Geonosis trilogy, and Senate Spy (don't you judge me.)

I love all the seasons, cause they are Star Wars and have the CIS as the main villains! Season 1 was the best followed by S2 and S3 was the weakest!

S1 and all time favorite was "Lair of Grievous" and it was so well done. TOP notch writing and design and it had 100% epic Grievous! S1 just had awesome villains more in numbers than the other two... Tambor, Gunray, Vindi and more...Plus S1 had the best finale with Cad Bane coming in! I totally agree but I feel that "Defenders of Piece" was the main episode of the Maridun arc and Lok Durd was epic new addition...
S2's Geonosis was really solid, even the lead in episode "Senate Spy" (I love the episode too, Clovis was such a great character) was excellent! Poggle was great and the Zombies/ Worms were such an awesome addition to mainstream SW! And then Trench came, best S2 villain, but Anitard ruined the episode...
S3 started off epic with Kamino, Cadets and Grievous, but little by little by the end it was mainly wrong choices - like the Banking episodes, the corruption episodes, the pointless Mortis arc and the last Ahsoka-heavy finale... Ahsoka should never again end a season, cause she can not hold her own on screen and that is why they put Chewbacca in to not loose more audience...

Hope S4 is more like S1 and becomes even better!

I agree with what you said about Seasons 1 and 2 (for the most part) but I personally LOVED Season 3.
Then again, I am good with politics and I'm intrigued by it, so I didn't mind the more political episodes. I thought they related well to Real Life.

I HIGHLY disagree with you on Anakin and Ahsoka. XD I think that Ahsoka is one of the BEST female characters that Lucas has introduced since Princess Leia (and Padme).
She's smart, spunky, and still learning, so you get to see her grow as a character and as a person. I love Ahsoka and Anakin's relationship, and everything that happened in Season 3. As much as it confused me, the Mortis arc was my favorite. I loved the drama in Alter of Mortis, and how much darkness surrounded the place. It was very interesting and foreshadowing. I cried. XD
TCW is essentially Ahsoka's story. It started with her (in the movie) and Filoni says it will also END with her. (which worries me to no end).

Chewbacca was a plus to have in the Season Finale, because he is a classic character that nearly anyone recognizes with, even if they've never seen the Original Trilogy before. Having him team up with Ahsoka made for a blast of a season finale.

I can tell we don't agree on this, and that's just fine. You like the 'darker' stuff (I guess that's how you put that) and I like the good-guys. XD But you're entitled to your opinion, and I can respect that.

Dan Grievous wrote:

Jedi~Chick wrote:I absolutely LOVE all the seasons. Season 2 had some amazing episodes, but some of my all time favorites are in Season 1! LOL!

My favorite episodes from Season 1 are Jedi Crash (and it's companion episode) and Blue Shadow Virus.
And my favorites from Season 2 are the Geonosis trilogy, and Senate Spy (don't you judge me.)

I love all the seasons, cause they are Star Wars and have the CIS as the main villains! Season 1 was the best followed by S2 and S3 was the weakest!

S1 and all time favorite was "Lair of Grievous" and it was so well done. TOP notch writing and design and it had 100% epic Grievous! S1 just had awesome villains more in numbers than the other two... Tambor, Gunray, Vindi and more...Plus S1 had the best finale with Cad Bane coming in! I totally agree but I feel that "Defenders of Piece" was the main episode of the Maridun arc and Lok Durd was epic new addition...
S2's Geonosis was really solid, even the lead in episode "Senate Spy" (I love the episode too, Clovis was such a great character) was excellent! Poggle was great and the Zombies/ Worms were such an awesome addition to mainstream SW! And then Trench came, best S2 villain, but Anitard ruined the episode...
S3 started off epic with Kamino, Cadets and Grievous, but little by little by the end it was mainly wrong choices - like the Banking episodes, the corruption episodes, the pointless Mortis arc and the last Ahsoka-heavy finale... Ahsoka should never again end a season, cause she can not hold her own on screen and that is why they put Chewbacca in to not loose more audience...

Hope S4 is more like S1 and becomes even better!

Dan Grievous wrote:

General Grievous wrote:

Dan Grievous wrote:Season One was the best so far, but I think or hope Season Four could beat Season One's awesomeness!

Hmm, I agree, as for overall stories, S1 was the best because they combined action and storyline the best. S2 and S3 either focused too much on story in their episodes, or too much in action. There was no real attempt to combine the two to make a good, 30 min., mini-SW movie except in S1. BUT, S2 had probably the best stand-out episodes like Landing at Point Rain, Legacy of Terror, Brain Invaders, the Zillo Beast, and the Mandalore episodes. Even though they may not have been as good as some S1 episodes, they stood out more in my opinion, IDK why. And S3, hmm, what to say about it. It probably was the weakest of the three, with no episodes combining action and storyline well without one dominating the other or many stand-out episodes, but I do think there were improvements in it. The character growth was MUCH better this season and had the best animation yet. Hmm, IDK which one I like the best. I guess it really depends on what you're going for in the episodes.

Jedi~Chick wrote:I absolutely LOVE all the seasons. Season 2 had some amazing episodes, but some of my all time favorites are in Season 1! LOL!

My favorite episodes from Season 1 are Jedi Crash (and it's companion episode) and Blue Shadow Virus.
And my favorites from Season 2 are the Geonosis trilogy, and Senate Spy (don't you judge me.)

Those S1 episodes are pretty good! I REALLY like Jedi Crash and Defenders of Peace, they had a great storyline without killing the action and vice versa, and the end of the overall story was epic, every time I watch it, I still think someone major is about to die because of overwheming odds, the Defoliator about to fire, and Anakin having his head somewhat knocked loose, I mean, I'm surprised he didn't charge a battle droid than just pass out from the knock to his head! And I agree, the Geonosis episodes were definitely the highlight of S2.

Dan Grievous wrote:

Jedi~Chick wrote:I absolutely LOVE all the seasons. Season 2 had some amazing episodes, but some of my all time favorites are in Season 1! LOL!

My favorite episodes from Season 1 are Jedi Crash (and it's companion episode) and Blue Shadow Virus.
And my favorites from Season 2 are the Geonosis trilogy, and Senate Spy (don't you judge me.)

I love all the seasons, cause they are Star Wars and have the CIS as the main villains! Season 1 was the best followed by S2 and S3 was the weakest!

S1 and all time favorite was "Lair of Grievous" and it was so well done. TOP notch writing and design and it had 100% epic Grievous! S1 just had awesome villains more in numbers than the other two... Tambor, Gunray, Vindi and more...Plus S1 had the best finale with Cad Bane coming in! I totally agree but I feel that "Defenders of Piece" was the main episode of the Maridun arc and Lok Durd was epic new addition...
S2's Geonosis was really solid, even the lead in episode "Senate Spy" (I love the episode too, Clovis was such a great character) was excellent! Poggle was great and the Zombies/ Worms were such an awesome addition to mainstream SW! And then Trench came, best S2 villain, but Anitard ruined the episode...
S3 started off epic with Kamino, Cadets and Grievous, but little by little by the end it was mainly wrong choices - like the Banking episodes, the corruption episodes, the pointless Mortis arc and the last Ahsoka-heavy finale... Ahsoka should never again end a season, cause she can not hold her own on screen and that is why they put Chewbacca in to not loose more audience...

Hope S4 is more like S1 and becomes even better!

Ha, you have a point at the beginning of your post, I like almost all the epiodes, good or not simply because they're SW, LOL. And YES, Lair of Grievous HAD to be my fav of S1! It was EPIC! Grievous lived up to everything the show HADN'T made him so far, especially when he killed prectically everyone by Fisto, LOL. I also agree that Hostage Crisis was the best finale of all the seasons, I mean, it was one of the first "bad guys win" type scenario, I LOVED it Not mention, Bane' totally Plo Kool, LOL.



Now, here's the thing about the Geonisis arc. If you think about it, it had some of the worst episodes because it either focused too much on personal storyline/plots (Senate Spy) or the other way around with action (Landing at Point Rain and Weapons Factory) The only ones that combined the two well were Legacy of Terror and Brain Invaders (LOVED them!) BUT before you go all Darth Vader and Force choky on me I liked the overall story of the Geonosis arc the best out of season two for the exact same reason I didn't like its epsiodes-It had a good mix of storyline and action with Senate Spy focusing on story, LAPR and Weapons Factory focusing on action, and the others blending the two. So there I rest my case, LOL, I could've gone to court with all that!



As for S3, I think some people forget that yes, it DID get worse as it went along, but it also had some great episodes during the last half of the season-Savage Oress was introduced, and Nightsisters was one of the best episodes of the season, with a fateful turn of events at the beginning and the best duel of the series at the end. Also, the Citadel episodes. THE best overall mission/arc or the seaon, and one of the best in the series as a whole.

Whew, I'm glad I got that all done.

"Lair of Grievous" was the best and in it Grievous, as you said he killed almost all and, sadly, he has not killed anybody since that episode! WHY!?

Indeed in S1, I either think they had an overall better lead writer, because things sucked the most in S2 when episodes like "Duchess of Mandalore" and "Senate Murders" which were mainly done by one guy Drew Z Greenberg, who I think has done top worse so far, if you do not count the top 2 worst episode in history - "Corruption" and "Evil Plans"...but they made us think!
When you hear the title of the episode in the Newsreel narated by Tom Kane then the episode will be bad, MEGA bad... cause it has nothing to offer as background and it uses the title as filler.
S3 had the best animation cause so far the show has demonstrated that the animation gains more depth and becomes better and better with each season and not going the way of many shows/movies the other way around...
Character-wise S3 had growth, but no heart as S3 served as just to showcase how annoying (good) Anitard and Tano were...still think they are a pain, thanks to season three's arcs that pain got deeper with episodes just about their personal boring issues...
S1 does not deserve much comment, cause it was overall perfection! It even got Anitard hurt and almost died! HAZZZA!!!
But from S1's finale to the end of S3, they turned the Anitard The Stupid One into real GOD! And, yes, I am speaking of Mortis...
That arc, visually and voice-acting-wise was perfect, but it had no purpose and it was just showing off more of Anakin's annoying gloaty nature... and by part II or The one called "Altar of Mortis", they turned Anitard into Jesus Christ by making him bring back the dead and so on...

I do agree with ya, Grievous, The Citadel was the best of S3, cause it took risks, especially with the death of a certain Jedi Council member! And Osi Sobeck was the best villain, sorry Grievous - my fave, the absolute best villain of S3 beating the boring TOOL Savage Opress who is merely here for another season just to make Lucas's dream come true - bring Maul back!

I am not sure why they dropped the whole combo of story and action of S1 and replaced them with messes of episodes... and some, mostly Ashoka and Padme episodes were even so story heavy that they were mega boring...
The fact is in S1 they were almost no "Ahsoka-Alone" scenarios compaired to the later seasons and I think that was one of the problems and STILL IS!
For Ahsoka there can not be much action cause, all of you face it, she is weakling and needs weak villains and situations and lowering of the bar of the previous episodes to make her stand out... there are more than 10 episodes where that was done mainly in S3! In S1 she got her butt kicked by everything and in S2 they decided to give her weak villains, same as with Padme... Weak villains and weak heroes like Tano cause very weak boring episodes. Examples:

- "Lightsaber Lost" with Tano vs Cassie Cryer
-"Senate Murders" with Padme vs Lolo Purs
-"Corruption" with Padme vs Moogans and some thugs
-"THe Academy" with Ahsoka vs Almec - imagine Viszla vs Ahsoka = Ahsoka charred to death by him
-"Sphere of Influence" with AHsoka vs Sib Canay
-"Wookie Hunt" the painful Ahsoka vs the silly Garnac...
All these "villains" made just to serve as weak opponents of the stupids female leads like Padme and Tano. And that results in weak stories! If the evil is weak then we do not feel much of a struggle for the heroes and that is why the episodes failed painfully. TOTALLY oposite of what "Lair of Grievous" and "Counterattack" where evil practically won in the hand of awesome General Grievous and Osi Sobeck and that is why the episode triumphed as the best of the series - there Hero drama and turmoil and the villains won!!! JUST LIKE "EMPIRE"! In the episodes where good wins too easily or does nothing against the baddies, it is the most boring part of the show and set season!

As far as Savage and the sisters are on the table, their arc was strong cause the character that episodes were revolving were strong and complex aka Ventress and Dooku even a little of Savage the tool! That is their episodes were the epic and very tight!


In some of the S2 and S3, they tried to stay on the combo path like was the case of "The Deserter" best COMBO episode of S2! Let us hope Dave and especially LUCAS the looney have learned to mix more. Cause you all know the banking episodes were ALL HIS IDEA! Politics and Banks in that way are never fun!

PLUS: there is a reason why there was the term "First and Second half of S3" and there was no such thing in S1 or S2...

Dan Grievous wrote:And, yes, I do agree that the Zombie/Worm/Godzilla themed episodes were really good cause they dared to try to mix something new with the CLONE WARS!
More of those, please!

General Grievous wrote:

Dan Grievous wrote:Season One was the best so far, but I think or hope Season Four could beat Season One's awesomeness!

Hmm, I agree, as for overall stories, S1 was the best because they combined action and storyline the best. S2 and S3 either focused too much on story in their episodes, or too much in action. There was no real attempt to combine the two to make a good, 30 min., mini-SW movie except in S1. BUT, S2 had probably the best stand-out episodes like Landing at Point Rain, Legacy of Terror, Brain Invaders, the Zillo Beast, and the Mandalore episodes. Even though they may not have been as good as some S1 episodes, they stood out more in my opinion, IDK why. And S3, hmm, what to say about it. It probably was the weakest of the three, with no episodes combining action and storyline well without one dominating the other or many stand-out episodes, but I do think there were improvements in it. The character growth was MUCH better this season and had the best animation yet. Hmm, IDK which one I like the best. I guess it really depends on what you're going for in the episodes.

Jedi~Chick wrote:I absolutely LOVE all the seasons. Season 2 had some amazing episodes, but some of my all time favorites are in Season 1! LOL!

My favorite episodes from Season 1 are Jedi Crash (and it's companion episode) and Blue Shadow Virus.
And my favorites from Season 2 are the Geonosis trilogy, and Senate Spy (don't you judge me.)

Those S1 episodes are pretty good! I REALLY like Jedi Crash and Defenders of Peace, they had a great storyline without killing the action and vice versa, and the end of the overall story was epic, every time I watch it, I still think someone major is about to die because of overwheming odds, the Defoliator about to fire, and Anakin having his head somewhat knocked loose, I mean, I'm surprised he didn't charge a battle droid than just pass out from the knock to his head! And I agree, the Geonosis episodes were definitely the highlight of S2.

Dan Grievous wrote:

Jedi~Chick wrote:I absolutely LOVE all the seasons. Season 2 had some amazing episodes, but some of my all time favorites are in Season 1! LOL!

My favorite episodes from Season 1 are Jedi Crash (and it's companion episode) and Blue Shadow Virus.
And my favorites from Season 2 are the Geonosis trilogy, and Senate Spy (don't you judge me.)

I love all the seasons, cause they are Star Wars and have the CIS as the main villains! Season 1 was the best followed by S2 and S3 was the weakest!

S1 and all time favorite was "Lair of Grievous" and it was so well done. TOP notch writing and design and it had 100% epic Grievous! S1 just had awesome villains more in numbers than the other two... Tambor, Gunray, Vindi and more...Plus S1 had the best finale with Cad Bane coming in! I totally agree but I feel that "Defenders of Piece" was the main episode of the Maridun arc and Lok Durd was epic new addition...
S2's Geonosis was really solid, even the lead in episode "Senate Spy" (I love the episode too, Clovis was such a great character) was excellent! Poggle was great and the Zombies/ Worms were such an awesome addition to mainstream SW! And then Trench came, best S2 villain, but Anitard ruined the episode...
S3 started off epic with Kamino, Cadets and Grievous, but little by little by the end it was mainly wrong choices - like the Banking episodes, the corruption episodes, the pointless Mortis arc and the last Ahsoka-heavy finale... Ahsoka should never again end a season, cause she can not hold her own on screen and that is why they put Chewbacca in to not loose more audience...

Hope S4 is more like S1 and becomes even better!

Ha, you have a point at the beginning of your post, I like almost all the epiodes, good or not simply because they're SW, LOL. And YES, Lair of Grievous HAD to be my fav of S1! It was EPIC! Grievous lived up to everything the show HADN'T made him so far, especially when he killed prectically everyone by Fisto, LOL. I also agree that Hostage Crisis was the best finale of all the seasons, I mean, it was one of the first "bad guys win" type scenario, I LOVED it Not mention, Bane' totally Plo Kool, LOL.



Now, here's the thing about the Geonisis arc. If you think about it, it had some of the worst episodes because it either focused too much on personal storyline/plots (Senate Spy) or the other way around with action (Landing at Point Rain and Weapons Factory) The only ones that combined the two well were Legacy of Terror and Brain Invaders (LOVED them!) BUT before you go all Darth Vader and Force choky on me I liked the overall story of the Geonosis arc the best out of season two for the exact same reason I didn't like its epsiodes-It had a good mix of storyline and action with Senate Spy focusing on story, LAPR and Weapons Factory focusing on action, and the others blending the two. So there I rest my case, LOL, I could've gone to court with all that!



As for S3, I think some people forget that yes, it DID get worse as it went along, but it also had some great episodes during the last half of the season-Savage Oress was introduced, and Nightsisters was one of the best episodes of the season, with a fateful turn of events at the beginning and the best duel of the series at the end. Also, the Citadel episodes. THE best overall mission/arc or the seaon, and one of the best in the series as a whole.

Whew, I'm glad I got that all done.

Dan Grievous wrote:Season One was the best so far, but I think or hope Season Four could beat Season One's awesomeness!

Jedi~Chick wrote:I absolutely LOVE all the seasons. Season 2 had some amazing episodes, but some of my all time favorites are in Season 1! LOL!

My favorite episodes from Season 1 are Jedi Crash (and it's companion episode) and Blue Shadow Virus.
And my favorites from Season 2 are the Geonosis trilogy, and Senate Spy (don't you judge me.)

Dan Grievous wrote:

Jedi~Chick wrote:I absolutely LOVE all the seasons. Season 2 had some amazing episodes, but some of my all time favorites are in Season 1! LOL!

My favorite episodes from Season 1 are Jedi Crash (and it's companion episode) and Blue Shadow Virus.
And my favorites from Season 2 are the Geonosis trilogy, and Senate Spy (don't you judge me.)

I love all the seasons, cause they are Star Wars and have the CIS as the main villains! Season 1 was the best followed by S2 and S3 was the weakest!

S1 and all time favorite was "Lair of Grievous" and it was so well done. TOP notch writing and design and it had 100% epic Grievous! S1 just had awesome villains more in numbers than the other two... Tambor, Gunray, Vindi and more...Plus S1 had the best finale with Cad Bane coming in! I totally agree but I feel that "Defenders of Piece" was the main episode of the Maridun arc and Lok Durd was epic new addition...
S2's Geonosis was really solid, even the lead in episode "Senate Spy" (I love the episode too, Clovis was such a great character) was excellent! Poggle was great and the Zombies/ Worms were such an awesome addition to mainstream SW! And then Trench came, best S2 villain, but Anitard ruined the episode...
S3 started off epic with Kamino, Cadets and Grievous, but little by little by the end it was mainly wrong choices - like the Banking episodes, the corruption episodes, the pointless Mortis arc and the last Ahsoka-heavy finale... Ahsoka should never again end a season, cause she can not hold her own on screen and that is why they put Chewbacca in to not loose more audience...

Hope S4 is more like S1 and becomes even better!

Jedi~Chick wrote:I absolutely LOVE all the seasons. Season 2 had some amazing episodes, but some of my all time favorites are in Season 1! LOL!

My favorite episodes from Season 1 are Jedi Crash (and it's companion episode) and Blue Shadow Virus.
And my favorites from Season 2 are the Geonosis trilogy, and Senate Spy (don't you judge me.)